Text transcription of undercover journalist interviewing Pfizer director
Breaking new video reveals Pfizer's plans to mutate SARS-CoV-2
A video from Project Veritas was just published hours ago, featuring an undercover Project Veritas journalist interviewing a Pfizer director. The Pfizer director reveals secret plans of Pfizer to intentionally mutate SARS-CoV-2 in monkeys. These mutations would be used for vaccine development to have vaccines on hand and to predict future variants, presenting a massive “cash cow” for Pfizer.
The video is 10 minutes long and can be found here.
I’ve transcribed the video below for those who prefer text over video.
Context note - video features the following people:
Undercover Project Veritas Journalist
Jordon Trishton Walker, Pfizer Director of Research and Development – Strategic Operations and mRNA Scientific Planning
Dr. Robert Malone
James O’Keefe (Project Veritas founder)
O’Keefe obtained internal documents from Pfizer which verify Walker’s role at Pfizer and his medical education. His supervisor reports to Mikael Dolsten who reports to Albert Bourla, CEO of Pfizer.
Video Title: Pfizer Exposed For Exploring "Mutating" COVID-19 Virus For New Vaccines Via 'Directed Evolution'. Published January 25, 2023 on Youtube.
Transcript:
Journalist: Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID?
Walker: Well, that's not what we say to the public no. No. Don’t tell anyone this by the way, you have to promise you won’t tell anyone.
Walker: We’re exploring like – you know how the virus keeps mutating?
Journalist: Yeah.
Walker: Well one of the things we’re exploring is like, why don’t we just mutate it ourselves so we could – we could pre-emptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we’re gonna do that though there's a risk of like, as you could imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating fucking viruses.
Walker: You have to be like very controlled to make sure that this virus that you mutate doesn’t create something like, you know, goes everywhere.
Journalist: Crazy.
Walker: Which, I suspect is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. Like, it makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere.
Journalist: Yeah, I know.
Walker: It’s bullshit.
[Video cut to James O’Keefe]
James O’Keefe: Meet Jordan Tristan Walker, a director of research and development strategic operations and mRNA scientific planning at Pfizer.
Journalist: It sounds like Gain-of-Function to me.
Walker: I don’t know, it’s a little bit different. I think it’s different. It’s like, this, it’s definitely not Gain-of-Function.
Journalist: It sounds like it is, I mean, it’s okay.
Walker: No, no, no, but directed evolution is very different.
Walker: Well you’re not supposed to do Gain-of-Function research with the viruses. They’d rather we not, but we do these selected structure mutations to try to see if we can make them more potent. So, there is research ongoing about that. I don’t know how that’s going to work. There better not be any more outbreaks, cause, like, Jesus Christ.
[Video cut to Dr. Malone in his office]
Dr. Robert W. Malone: The gentleman seems to have absolutely no moral compass at all.
Walker: It is a revolving door for all government officials. It’s pretty good for the industry to be honest. It’s bad for everyone else in America
Journalist: Why is it bad for everybody else?
Walker: Because if the regulators, who review our drugs, you know that once they stop being a regulator, they want to go work for the company, they are not going to be as harsh on the company where they’re getting their job.
[Video cut to Dr. Malone]
Dr. Malone: If this is the quality of individuals within Pfizer that are making these huge decisions that risk Global Public Health, it's profoundly corrupt.
Journalist: What is Pfizer doing, I guess to optimize, you know, the vaccines now? O
Walker: Oh, we actually had a meeting about that today. So, there's a lot.
Journalist: Really?
Walker: We're doing, ugh, I don't know if I should say this.
[Voiceover from James O’Keefe]
O’Keefe: Our undercover journalist asked Walker how Pfizer is handling the fact that their COVID vaccines are ineffective against virus variants. What he said is disturbing, listen to this.
Walker: We’re exploring like – you know how the virus keeps mutating?
Journalist: Yeah.
Walker: Well one of the things we’re exploring is like, why don’t we just mutate it ourselves so we could – we could pre-emptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we’re gonna do that though there's a risk of like, as you could imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating fucking viruses. So, we’re like, do we want to do this? So that’s like one of the things we’re considering. For, like, the future, like maybe we can like, create new versions of the vaccines and things like that.
Journalist: So Pfizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID?
Walker: Well, that is not what we say to the public. No, that’s why it was, it was a thought that came up in a meeting, and we were like, why do we not – it was like, we’re going to consider that with more discussions.
Journalist: Okay.
Walker: That exactly, actually. We’re like, wait a minute, like, people won’t like that.
[Video cut to O’Keefe]
O’Keefe: That's right, it appears that Pfizer is internally discussing the possibility of mutating the covid virus themselves in order to tailor a vaccine to sell to the public. Listen to Walker describe in detail just how they would conduct such a scientific experiment - first, in living animals.
Walker: So the way that we're thinking about it - don't tell anyone this by the way. You have to promise you won’t tell anyone, okay? So, the way it would work is like we put them in – the virus in these monkeys. And then we successively, like, cause them to keep infecting each other. And we collect collect serial samples from them, and then, the ones that are more infectious, to like, the virus, we'll put them in another monkey and you just constantly actively mutate it. That’s one way. Or we could even do like, directed like simulation, which like, we tend not to prefer. And they just sample what the different like, proteins on the surface of the virus look like over time.
Journalist: Okay.
Walker: So, then you can see the mutation. You can now force it to mutate in a certain way that you want it.
Journalist: Okay.
Walker: But you have to be, like, very controlled to make sure that this virus that you mutate doesn’t create something like, you know, goes everywhere. Which, I suspect is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. Like, it makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere.
Journalist: Yeah, I know.
Walker: It’s bullshit.
[Video cut to O’Keefe]
O’Keefe: COVID virus experimentation on live monkeys? This is unethical to say the least. And Walker describes those experiments as if they are ongoing and not simply a hypothetical discussion.
Journalist: So, I mean, when is Pfizer going to implement the mutation of all these viruses?
Walker: I don't know, it depends on how the experiments work out because this is just like, something we’re trying, right?
Journalist: It sounds like Gain-of-Function to me.
Walker: I don't know, it's a little bit different. I think it's different. It's like, this, it’s definitely not Gain-of-Function.
Journalist: It sounds like it is, I mean, it’s okay.
Walker: No, no, no, but directed evolution is very different.
Journalist: Direct evolution?
Walker: Directed evolution.
Journalist: Directed evolution, okay. Well, so, I mean, is that what it is?
Walker: Maybe, I don’t know (laughs).
Walker: Well you’re not supposed to do Gain-of-Function research with the viruses. They’d rather we not, but we do these selected structure mutations to try to see if we can make them more potent. So, there is research ongoing about that. I don’t know how that’s going to work. There better not be any more outbreaks, cause, like, Jesus Christ.
Journalist: So, tell me more, like, what's developing with the whole, you know, virus mutation process?
Walker: Well, they are still kind of conducting the experiments on it, but it seems like, from what I’ve heard, they’re kind of optimizing it, but they're going slow cause everyone’s very cautious, like, you know, obviously they don’t want to accelerate it too much. But I think they’re also just trying to do it as an exploratory thing because you obviously don't want to advertise that you are figuring out future mutations.
Journalist: So, did that – did the whole virus mutation thing come from your executive Sarah [Wu]?
Walker: No, that came from – we have like chief scientific officers in the other divisions.
[Video cut to O’Keefe]
O’Keefe: In a subsequent meeting our undercover journalist asked if this type of gain of function research is already being studied at Pfizer. But no, as long as it's called “directed evolution”, Pfizer’s in the clear.
Journalist: What’s the goal for Pfizer doing that [COVID mutations]?
Walker: So, part of what they want to do is to try to figure out - to some extent, try to figure out like, you know there's all these new strains and variants that just pop up? Why don't we try to like catch them before they [variants] pop up in nature and we can develop a vaccine prophylactically, before, like new variants. So, that's why they're thinking like, if you do it controlled in a lab, then we say this is a new epitope, and so if it comes out later on, in the public, then you already have a vaccine kind of working.
Journalist: Oh my God. That's perfect. Isn't that like the best business model though? Just control nature before nature even happens itself, right?
Walker: Yeah, if it works.
Journalist: What do you mean if it works?
Walker: Because some of the times there are mutations that pop up that we are not prepared for, like with Delta and Omicron and things like that, so. Who knows? I mean, either way, it’s going to be a cash cow. COVID will probably be a cash cow for us for a while going forward. Like, obviously, like…(laughs)
Journalist: Well I think the whole, you know, research of the viruses and mutating it, like, would be the ultimate cash cow.
Walker: Yeah, it’d be perfect.
[Video cut to O’Keefe]
O’Keefe: Now you would think that creating viruses to sell the vaccine would be illegal. But no the
pharmaceutical industry, as Walker puts it, is quote, a revolving door for all government officials, unquote.
Walker: It [Pfizer] is a revolving door for all government officials.
Journalist: Wow!
Walker: Yeah, for any industry though. So, in the pharma industry, all the government officials who, you know, review our drugs, eventually come work for pharma companies. And the military – all the army and defense government officials eventually go work for the defense companies afterwards.
Journalist: How do you feel about that revolving door?
Walker: It's pretty good for the industry to be honest. It's bad for everyone else in America.
Journalist: Why is it bad for everybody else [in America?]
Walker: Because if the regulators, who review our drugs, you know that once they stop being a regulator, they want to go work for the company, they are not going to be as harsh on the company where they’re getting their job.
[Video cut to Dr. Malone]
[Voiceover, O’Keefe: We talked to Dr. Robert Malone, physician, scientist, and author, to get
his take on the comments made by Jordon Walker]
Dr. Malone: You're gaining function - you're creating a new function in virus one by adding elements from virus two, infecting one monkey and then another monkey. That's called serial passage. That appears to have been one of the technologies deployed in the Wuhan Institute of Virology with the humanized mouse strains that I believe were obtained from Ecohealth Alliance. That's an example of directed evolution. The gentleman seems to have absolutely no moral compass at all about what he's doing. The hubris and arrogance and immaturity - if this is the quality of individuals within Pfizer that are making these huge decisions that risk Global Public Health with such a casual disregard for the human toll. It's profoundly corrupt. In terms of would it be feasible for Pfizer to circumvent international or national law, I think that is undeniable. And the gentleman in your investigative work has clearly indicated that Pfizer believes that it has successfully captured the regulatory apparatus of the United States government and presumably worldwide. Pfizer has completed regulatory capture, is quite proud of it.
[Video cut to O’Keefe]
O’Keefe: With governments turning a blind eye and Pfizer hiding information from the public, this is an ongoing story. Be brave, do something. Spread these videos and stay tuned.
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